Non FAC air rifles. Security

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Hi Guys
One for the learned on here
My brother has just got three more air rifles all non fac

He already has a 4 gun bratten which has room for 1 more.

Being a tight bugger, and some steel plate he is going to make one himself, he has no FAC stuff
My question is can he use a non approved cabinet ??? Just for non fac air rifles

Thanks
Phil

 

[GN01]

Air rifles have to be reasonably secured and prevent children from having access. They do not actually have to be secured in a cabinet at all. I know chaps that have no children present and have them on display racks in their 'man cave' / spare bedroom. All secured with a bicycle cable lock..which would take 3 secs to remove. lol

 

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Hi Guys
One for the learned on here
My brother has just got three more air rifles all non fac

He already has a 4 gun bratten which has room for 1 more.

Being a tight bugger, and some steel plate he is going to make one himself, he has no FAC stuff
My question is can he use a non approved cabinet ??? Just for non fac air rifles

Thanks
Phil

Yes. Or he can just put them in the wardrobe.

 

[25 Sharps]

Hi Guys
One for the learned on here
My brother has just got three more air rifles all non fac

He already has a 4 gun bratten which has room for 1 more.

Being a tight bugger, and some steel plate he is going to make one himself, he has no FAC stuff
My question is can he use a non approved cabinet ??? Just for non fac air rifles

Thanks
Phil

Yes

 

[25 Sharps]

Yes. Or he can just put them in the wardrobe.

I believe if there are under 18s in the house they must be secured or made inoperable by something like a trigger guard.

 

[Cyres]

Just Google air rifle security and government guidelines will come up. If no children under 18 then just have to be stored out of sight and in house or alike.
If children present need to be securely stored in a locked container and pellets kept in a different place.
So locked cupboard is fine!
D

 

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I believe if there are under 18s in the house they must be secured or made inoperable by something like a trigger guard.

Hi Guys
One for the learned on here
My brother has just got three more air rifles all non fac

He already has a 4 gun bratten which has room for 1 more.

Being a tight bugger, and some steel plate he is going to make one himself, he has no FAC stuff
My question is can he use a non approved cabinet ??? Just for non fac air rifles

Thanks
Phil

Guys
Thank you
Much appreciated

Just texted him, that will cheer old tight grip up not having to spend any dollar

Cheers
Phil

 

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I believe if there are under 18s in the house they must be secured or made inoperable by something like a trigger guard.

100% correct buddy ,
It is an offence for a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take reasonable precautions to
prevent a person under the age of 18 from gaining unauthorised access to it.

Reasonable precautions’ means that
when a child is present an air weapon
must be:
• stored securely
• out of sight, and
• separately from ammunition

 

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100% correct buddy ,
It is an offence for a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take reasonable precautions to
prevent a person under the age of 18 from gaining unauthorised access to it.

Reasonable precautions’ means that
when a child is present an air weapon
must be:
• stored securely
• out of sight, and
• separately from ammunition

Cheers
I treat all my rifles as sec 1 -break down separate cabinets including the pcp
I didn’t want to tell him to get another cabinet when he doesn’t need it - he’ll never let me forget it

 

[Bowland blades]

It confuses things to have different rules in Scotland and England and Wales on guns . A Scottish dwelling ner-do - well only has to drop down to Carlisle buy an airgun and drive back.
There must be thousands unregistered in Barns etc , maybe forgotten . All over Scotland

 

[VSS]

I believe if there are under 18s in the house they must be secured or made inoperable by something like a trigger guard.

Wardrobe is fine, if it's anything like my wardrobe. (Which I presume most wardrobes are?):

 

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Hi Guys
One for the learned on here
My brother has just got three more air rifles all non fac

He already has a 4 gun bratten which has room for 1 more.

Being a tight bugger, and some steel plate he is going to make one himself, he has no FAC stuff
My question is can he use a non approved cabinet ??? Just for non fac air rifles

Thanks
Phil

Short answer: yes.

The law only requires you to take reasonable steps to ensure that people who shouldn't have access to air weapons can't access them (and that includes children). It doesn't state they have to be locked in a gun cabinet, but in most cases the best was to satisfy the law is to lock them away (but that can be a locking cupboard and it can even be a chain and shackle to the wall, so a homemade locking steel box is going to be fine too). In Scotland, the security requires are also basically the same as England, it's just that I used in those who you have to ensure cannot get access is anyone who doesn't have AWC.

 

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I believe if there are under 18s in the house they must be secured or made inoperable by something like a trigger guard.

The law in England & Wales now requires air weapons* to be stored so that no one under the age of 18 is able to access them. That doesn't just mean under 18s living in the property, it means anyone under 18 who may for whatever reason be I'm the property. This includes visiting grand kids or other family, it includes carers (who can be 16 or older), it includes tradesmen and their apprentices who can be 16 or older etc. People have been caught out and got into trouble for having air weapons not locked out of site and carers or trades visiting. In this day and age, irrespective of what the law explicitly states, it's always going to be sensible to ensure that air weapons are kept under lock and key, whatever that may look like in practice.

*I say 'air weapon' because that's the legal term for all sub12/6 airguns and to differentiate them from airguns that are FAC, which obviously are subject to S1 security requirements.

 

[Druid]

I believe if there are under 18s in the house they must be secured or made inoperable by something like a trigger guard.

I believe that the trigger guard is not on it’s own adequate unless it stops the gun being removed. Examples-
If an under 18 can walk off with a gun with a trigger lock fitted it’s illegal.
If the trigger lock is fastened to the wall to stop the gun being removed then it’s legal.

 

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I believe that the trigger guard is not on it’s own adequate unless it stops the gun being removed. Examples-
If an under 18 can walk off with a gun with a trigger lock fitted it’s illegal.
If the trigger lock is fastened to the wall to stop the gun being removed then it’s legal.

I checked this with my FAC last month. They said you have to prevent the airgun being removed by someone not allowed to posses it, not just render it inoperable. So, yes, a floating trigger lock on its own isn't good enough.

 

[25 Sharps]

I checked this with my FAC last month. They said you have to prevent the airgun being removed by someone not allowed to posses it, not just render it inoperable. So, yes, a floating trigger lock on its own isn't good enough.

But you’re still n Scotland and air rifles are licensed. That is not the case here.

 

[Druid]

But you’re still n Scotland and air rifles are licensed. That is not the case here.

preventing it being removed also applies south of the border. It’s all about stopping under under 18s taking possession.

Safe handling of air guns

Guidance on safe handling and storage of air guns and air rifles.

www.gov.uk

 

[25 Sharps]

preventing it being removed also applies south of the border. It’s all about stopping under under 18s taking possession.

Safe handling of air guns

Guidance on safe handling and storage of air guns and air rifles.

www.gov.uk

Looks like it’s been updated since I last looked, mine are all locked in the loading room so no access for the kids, purely because it the sensible thing to do

 

[Trickyd66]

These changes to legislation are all well and good, but without actually publicising them so that the thousands of air gun owners know that they have changed / been updated what good is it? . It is only through this post that I have found the changes.

I recently worked in a house where I found an old air rifle in the understairs cupboard, I asked the wife about it and she said don't touch it as my husband always keeps it loaded in case he sees a rat they were of an age that grandchildren could be visiting.

 

[Pard 007]

Think bit of common sense should come into play, with some air rifles costing £1,000 plus just lock them In a cabinet. How gutted would you be if some low life burgled your home, that's what I would do anyway.