Paradox and fully rifled

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6pt-sika

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Any of you blokes have 10 or 12 gauge/bore guns that are paradox or fully rifled ? This is something that’s intrests me but I’ve yet to own Snd or mess with !
 
I've handled one or two. They are neither a good DR nor a good shotgun. Why? Because they are awfully over heavy especially at the muzzle for a shotgun yet don't have anywhere near the fluid "handiness" of a true 12 Bore DR. A true 12 Bore DR is a joy to bring to the shoulder.

That's not to say they aren't fun to own nor crude. They certainly aren't that. But to use a comparison with contemporaneous handguns they are Webley's Fosbery to Webley's own WS Army revolver or Colt's 1911 pistol. An attempt to "square the circle" that ultimately doesn't.
 
I would disagree, my T Bland Euplia 12G hammergun is paradox bored at the chokes and it shoots slugs very well at 35 metres with three different shooters trying it.
 
Miki said:
Only smoothbore allowed here ...
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On SGC, certainly. I imagine you'd need to have a Paradox-type shotgun on a FAC.

Fully-rifles guns would simply be rifles, would they not? Or is the OP thinking of the 'scratch-rifled' guns whose purpose is to throw very wide patterns for close shooting?
 
Dalua said:
Or is the OP thinking of the 'scratch-rifled' guns whose purpose is to throw very wide patterns for close shooting?
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I've been thinking about this because I'd like to organise a day shooting woodcock and snipe over pointers next season. One of my friends said that given that he can't hit barn doors, he's not sure a day on woodcock is a great use of a shooting pass. Now in France and Italy, they make specific shotguns and cartridges for this as there seem to be more hunters who specialise in walking up woodcock. Shots are at short range, typically 10 to 15m, and at that range, patterns are too tight in a standard gun. So they either use shallow rifling as you describe, which hugely widens the pattern, or various types of cartridge using special wads or non-spherical shot (discoid, cuboid) to achieve the same. I've never heard of anyone using those in the UK.
 
Dalua said:
On SGC, certainly. I imagine you'd need to have a Paradox-type shotgun on a FAC.

Fully-rifles guns would simply be rifles, would they not? Or is the OP thinking of the 'scratch-rifled' guns whose purpose is to throw very wide patterns for close shooting?
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Yes FAC only. firearms-licence-for-a-paradox-gun

Not heard of 'scratch rifling' tbh - what is it ?
The OP is in the US where there are no prohibitions.
 
Dalua said:
On SGC, certainly. I imagine you'd need to have a Paradox-type shotgun on a FAC.

Fully-rifles guns would simply be rifles, would they not? Or is the OP thinking of the 'scratch-rifled' guns whose purpose is to throw very wide patterns for close shooting?
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No fully rifled 10 and 12 bore guns . Actually the made some in 16 and 20 gauge as well .
 
Most of the 10 and 12 bore fully rifled doubles I’ve seen for sale over here came cased with a mold for the projectile and some even had loading tools . I’ve seen several for sale that were made by Purdey and Holland as well as some lesser known Brit makers .
 
 
I have an NEC like a Harrington & Richardson Trapper in 12G fully rifled but the receiver is not drilled/tapped for mounting a scope so only open sights possible was built on a 10G barrel frame so I am told.
 
Bavarianbrit said:
I have an NEC like a Harrington & Richardson Trapper in 12G fully rifled but the receiver is not drilled/tapped for mounting a scope so only open sights possible was built on a 10G barrel frame so I am told.
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Have the barrel drilled and tapped?~Muir
 
I don’t want a utilitarian something I’m intrested in something made before 1920 that’s double barreled .
 
reiver said:
Muir
Did Browning also make a rifled bolt action 12bore as well?
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They made the A Bolt 12 gauge . I've never shot one , but by all accounts , they were very accurate rifles ( which is what they are really ) . They're discontinued as far as I know . I have shot a friends Savage bolt gun on a number of occasions , very accurate , but about 20 rounds was my limit . The recoil is substantial , not really an issue with a rifle made for hunting I guess .

AB
 
Bavarianbrit said:
I have an NEC like a Harrington & Richardson Trapper in 12G fully rifled but the receiver is not drilled/tapped for mounting a scope so only open sights possible was built on a 10G barrel frame so I am told.
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They're still fairly common out here . We do have shotgun only deer zones around our larger cities , so there is a market for them . The same friend mentioned above has one similar to yours . I believe he has the Ultra Slug Hunter , it's built on a 10 gauge frame , has a heavy contour barrel , no sights , but a factory scope rail . With ammo it likes , it will keep 3 rounds inside of 1 1/2 inches at one hundred yards . They're both very effective tools and do fill a small , but popular , niche .

AB
 
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