Prickets. Do or Dont? - first year actual management plans

d0nni

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I've a fair bit of land up around auchnacloy where i shoot here in n.ireland.

We have primarily Fallow running through it, randomly get the odd red comes onto it now and again but not too often.

I'm just sort of thinking about the later on years.

At the moment i know of at least 4-8 good great bucks roaming the lands i shoot (probably good 6-9yr old). They all have their we patches and im sure there are others fighting for the territory with them. We have only had the land 3 years so still running into new animals each year, most of the time we knew were about. just had yet to see them face on etc.

First season was spent finding where they primarily hang out, most common paths, where the bucks stands were etc. only shot around 4 deer that year.
2nd season (last season) farmers explained they wanted the number brought under control a bit, so myself and uncle manages around 30 in total, mainly all does and calves.
3rd season (this season) thinking about how to actually get a management plan in place, now we know rough numbers and where they generally tend to be.

ANYWAY

I'm wondering about the Prickets and other peoples approach to them. This time of year a fair few people go after the prickets, I myself have been aswell, but i'm just thinking now about the stock and the breeding. the reason being is i shot a good 3-4 year old there a few weeks back, and thinking back on it i probably should have let him get to full size. looked like he would have evened up nicely and have been a good contender in the coming years (granted no-one else got to him before then)

unfortunately my trigger finger thought quicker than my compassion. but, learnt for again.

I'm just thinking with these fine bucks roaming about (any ive seen have been brilliant looking creatures, one is definately a gold medal head and my uncle shot at least a bronze last year who was injured from what looked like a car hit), instead of knocking every pricket we see (which isn't very many) should we concentrate our efforts on the big guys who i suspect one will be starting to come back and let the young lads come up to see how they progress and actually manage the stock properly (these deer are 100% wild with no person ever managed them as such, more just cracking the odd one when they see it (much what we have been doing last year or so), along with the odd poacher nailing one or two)

This is all private land so the farmers just want to see their numbers dropping (which we have been doing with the does)

All in all I would guesstimate there is around 150-200 deer roaming around 500-700acres.

before anyone goes on the attack about not managing them etc. we have been doing exactly what the land owners have wanted us to do thus far. they are happy with the progress. i'm looking advice not grief. only been at it 2 years and i'm 29 so just want to put a plan in place to actually manage the stock properly while also getting a handle on the numbers too. This year will also probably be a heavy doe cull with their sheer numbers
 
First comment from me would be, that is a hell of a lot of deer on 700 acres of farmland. Is it arable or stock farming in the area? Somebody will undoubtedly come up with some good answers for you, but my landowner would be doing his nut if we had that many on 2000 acres. Forget the bucks and reduce the does dramatically for a start this season and then put a management plan into action.
 
700acres is a stab in the dark. But it isn't much more. Maybe 1000-1200 give or take. Good bit of forestry on it all and a lot of rough ground. I'd one farmer who has a good 30 acres beside one of the big woods and he can only keep 10 cattle on it with the amount of deer eating the grass. Saw no joke a full blown herd last year. Easily 40 strong of does and calves out on it one evening. Wild amount in a single group for being wild. So yeah perhaps you are right. Its not one of those bad problems, but its something I'd like to show making a positive change too for them to hold onto it
 
When in season Wack the Does hard to reduce numbers to keep numbers at a chosen number you should cull at least 30% each season any less the number will increase.
Prickets For me if it's even and above the ears let it walk look for uneven fish tail bucks etc I've seen far to many dead good Prickets and absolutely poo Bucks walking.
 
Cheers for advice lads. Pretty much confirming what I was thinking. 30% cull is some serious work for 2 guns but doable. Got 30 last year and know it will be back to same number or more this year with the number of calves running around. The pricket advice is good too, will keep this all in mind in the future. The does are the problem especially after mating is done. But at least at that stage its 2 for 1. People don't like it but has to be done.
 
Any rubbish pricket with stubbs on his head shoot. Anmy good strong bodied pricket with long spikes leave. Potentially that could be a good buck in years to come. Any poor sorrels I would also take out, body wise and with poor heads.

It is a lot of deer for the size of the land, but then Fallow are very nomadic during the winter months, in particular the does. I would cull out any old does without calves if possible and then take out any small does or fawns that look like they will not make it. However once you start to hit Fallow hard they soon disappear and go nocturnal.
 
Can't speak for Fallow, but with Roe or Red I concentrate on scruffy, runty little beasts that are in poor condition, or old ones that are going back and also in poor condition - same for does, bucks and fawns. With does or hinds, if they have really scruffy little calves, then then they will also go - chances are they have been unable to provide good quantities of milk to raise a good calf.

Once those are out of the way and if you need to shoot more then take a few from each age group - that way you are reducing numbers, but still keeping a similar population dynamic. If you want numbers down rapidly, take out the females.

To keep a population of deer stable you need to cull at least 20% of the numbers that are on the ground.
 
as already said really take off the rubbish to let the better come through but what i will say is if the farmer has mentioned that he thinks the numbers are high then make a good effort to be seen out and about, it sounds like you have a really nice patch with some good animals on it and it would be a shame for you to loose it or to have another stalker be put on the ground over your head.
 
You will need help from serious hunters who travel over that way ohh every two months. They can come and sit out to help you reduce numbers. I'm over in two weeks time. :D

Actually I know sod all about fallow but having been to a talk about deer management over here they said you need to shoot 30 % does just to keep numbers stable. More if you want to reduce overall numbers. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

it does sound that you need some extra bodies to sit out. I have been on some culls over here where they did two culls a year, both over a weekend so Friday afternoon to Sunday afternoon 10 bums on seats and that ensured that about 30 were taken each weekend. That will still leave plenty of deer onsite for you to shoot in your own time.
 
I'm over in two weeks time.
awh shame. The fallow does still outta season then :( lol my brother is home in a few months from new Zealand I'd day he'll be home for a while while he looks for work so he will be useful to me for a few weeks to help fill the freezers once the does are in. Going to definitely get good looks at the prickets when I get a chance. Have a few trail cams set up so will be checking them on Saturday morning as well. See what's actually about after dark. These are quite nocturnal. Do catch them in the mornings out to about 10am but generally feed at night
 
Agree on getting help Hit as hard as possible with as few trips out as possible to prevent stress pushing them to nocturnal Depending on the number of high seats and your ability to collate a number of experienced stalkers and ensure safety (clear briefing, careful positioning re shot lines, radio contact etc etc) you might want to consider gently walking them into the occupied seats so you get quite a few in one go. brief the gamedealer beforehand and he may even turn up with his wagon on the day to collect carcasses
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