Rishi Sunak's speech today

[MAH]

Morris Minor

Surly a MM will be tax exempt by now. ?
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[Ade8mm]

The man oozes insincerity like a third-rate double-glazing sales-man
( Though that is perhaps a bit unfair to double glazing people)

 

[Heym SR20]

Just imagine if we were able to pull of an infrastructure project such as the Fehmanbelt. It was conceived well after HS2, is connecting German direct to the main island of Denmark and thus direct to Sweden by road and rail. It is well on budget and on time and will be open in 2029.

All of the HS2 bollox - we have paid for already in our taxes, and I expect the only ones on SD who will see any benefit will be the youngsters in their 20’s.

Transport infrastructure in the UK is fundamentally buggered. My experience of motorways is you average 40 to 50mph. Rail is overcrowded and eye wateringly expensive. And flying just a lottery.

Fehmarnbelt tunnel

femern.com

 

[Jura]

My experience of motorways is you average 40 to 50mph.

8 to 10 mph travelling South from the Highlands to the Midlands on the M74 and the M76 last week for long stretches with 1 or 2 lanes & roadworks...Our motorways are no longer fit for purpose.

 

[TringSaint]

It was labour that started it

If they get in we are DOOMED

No. It was Cameron.

In December 2010, following a review by the Conservative–Liberal Democrat coalition,[9] a route was proposed, subject to public consultation,[10][11] based on a Y-shaped route from London to Birmingham with branches to Leeds and Manchester, as originally put forward by the previous Labour government,[12] with alterations designed to minimise the visual, noise, and other environmental impacts of the line.[10]

In January 2012, the Secretary of State for Transport announced that HS2 would go ahead in two phases and the legislative process would be achieved through two hybrid bills.[13][14] The High Speed Rail (London - West Midlands) Act 2017, authorising the construction of Phase 1, passed both Houses of Parliament and received Royal Assent in February 2017.


I know that the torons are trying to blame anyone but themselves for all of their cock-ups, but hs2 is all theirs to own. All happened on their watch.

 

[sauer]

there should be a option on ballot forms for
"neither of above non fit for purpose"

and this you do not vote you get no say is bollocks ...i pay my taxes ....high rate & higher rate than me other UK brethren due to our beloved Scottish communist party . i have a say ...7 i say they are all not fit for purpose

they are all narcissistic pigs with nose sin the trough and line their own pockets...they don't even try to hide it nowadays

nobody up here voted for the greens but the end up along side our SNP & majorly effecting all decisions & wrecking rural ways of life .


and we do nothing .... government's change labour / tory ... doesn't matter nothing changes.

at leas the french stand up and say no more!

i can see anarchy and lot more happening in our island the way things are going


PaUL

 

[TringSaint]

Maybe we need to use proportional representation in our political system rather than first past the post.

At least then it’s government by consensus which means, hopefully, less stupidity!

As for whether or not to vote, it’s a very personal choice, but to give it another slant, have a think on this:

For a number of years I lived in John Bercow’s constituency. Now I have never been a Tory so I have voted, often tactically, when a GE came about. But whilst I was living in his constituency he became the speaker, and whilst the speaker has to be non-partisan, they retain their role as an MP and sit under the party for whom they were elected. There is also an agreement that none of the main parties challenge the speaker’s seat at an election.

So I had an MP who couldn’t act as an MP, couldn’t ask a question or raise an issue on my behalf and was unopposed to the point that there were no other candidates to vote for other than ukip or the Monster Raving Loony party (kind of the same thing tbh).

So when you consider not voting, for at least 2 GE’s I couldn’t vote for the party I wanted to because ancient tradition made it so.

Democracy is important and we shouldn’t wish it away!

 

[Jura]

on the M74 and the M76 last week

Edit: Should be M74 and the M6....

 

[Skye]

Having read through the above I can see we have some prime candidates for the next election. If being PM is as easy as some make it appear, I would have a go at it and then you would have a rightful cause to moan!

 

[JockStalk]

The media decided it was all about HS2.
Could that in any way be linked to the engineering, construction and landholding businesses that lobbied relentlessly for this white elephant project in the first place?
Should never have got beyond the concept stage but those lobbyist chequebooks are powerful things.

Must have been interesting as a Tory to attend a conference led by a PM that was not the PM they returned with an overwhelming 80 seat majority. As a Tory party member that was not the replacement PM that they voted for. But that was the MPs choice to continue the direction of travel that no one elected to travel in.

 

[enfieldspares]

And I see that the man that was involved in wrecking the economy and causing unnecessary illness in many with mass forced medication of a not fully tested drug - no jab no job - (Astra Zeneca vaccine has given me myocarditis) supports the measure. Well there's always someone willing to bleat like one of Orwell's sheep in the "Animal Farm" that Johnson and Truss aspired to create in Britain.

 

[jall55]

No. It was Cameron.

In December 2010, following a review by the Conservative–Liberal Democrat coalition,[9] a route was proposed, subject to public consultation,[10][11] based on a Y-shaped route from London to Birmingham with branches to Leeds and Manchester, as originally put forward by the previous Labour government,[12] with alterations designed to minimise the visual, noise, and other environmental impacts of the line.[10]

In January 2012, the Secretary of State for Transport announced that HS2 would go ahead in two phases and the legislative process would be achieved through two hybrid bills.[13][14] The High Speed Rail (London - West Midlands) Act 2017, authorising the construction of Phase 1, passed both Houses of Parliament and received Royal Assent in February 2017.


I know that the torons are trying to blame anyone but themselves for all of their cock-ups, but hs2 is all theirs to own. All happened on their watch.

HS2 was commissioned by labour

 

[Heym SR20]

If you have a watch of this little series you will quickly realise that those in power had not a clue what they were doing. There was no plan. Huge amounts of bickering, infighting and backstabbing. Government is and has been in a complete and utter state of chaos.

Any thing that has been put in place is in a knee jerk reaction just to get sound bites in the press.

I was at university with a number of individuals that are within the system at a very high level. Their view is that it was far far worse than anything that has been reported. But when they were in the bubble they thought it was normal.

Only way to break the cycle is a complete change of government to one that has a much more centrist approach.

The UK has to get back to working closely with the rest of the world and stop it’s nationalistic and insular view of things. Otherwise we will end up as a very poor relation. Money, capital, brains and talent will just leave.

BBC Two - Laura Kuenssberg: State of Chaos, Series 1, May/Johnson

Laura Kuenssberg asks if our politics have been stretched to breaking point.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JockStalk]

If you have a watch of this little series you will quickly realise that those in power had not a clue what they were doing. There was no plan. Huge amounts of bickering, infighting and backstabbing. Government is and has been in a complete and utter state of chaos.

Any thing that has been put in place is in a knee jerk reaction just to get sound bites in the press.

I was at university with a number of individuals that are within the system at a very high level. Their view is that it was far far worse than anything that has been reported. But when they were in the bubble they thought it was normal.

Only way to break the cycle is a complete change of government to one that has a much more centrist approach.

The UK has to get back to working closely with the rest of the world and stop it’s nationalistic and insular view of things. Otherwise we will end up as a very poor relation. Money, capital, brains and talent will just leave.

BBC Two - Laura Kuenssberg: State of Chaos, Series 1, May/Johnson

Laura Kuenssberg asks if our politics have been stretched to breaking point.

www.bbc.co.uk

If you think labour are ‘centrist’ be careful what you wish for. Momentum have not gone away.

 

[sh1kar]

No. It was Cameron.

In December 2010, following a review by the Conservative–Liberal Democrat coalition,[9] a route was proposed, subject to public consultation,[10][11] based on a Y-shaped route from London to Birmingham with branches to Leeds and Manchester, as originally put forward by the previous Labour government,[12] with alterations designed to minimise the visual, noise, and other environmental impacts of the line.[10]

In January 2012, the Secretary of State for Transport announced that HS2 would go ahead in two phases and the legislative process would be achieved through two hybrid bills.[13][14] The High Speed Rail (London - West Midlands) Act 2017, authorising the construction of Phase 1, passed both Houses of Parliament and received Royal Assent in February 2017.


I know that the torons are trying to blame anyone but themselves for all of their cock-ups, but hs2 is all theirs to own. All happened on their watch.

Labour under gordon brown announced creation of HS2 Ltd and plans in January 2009

The cameron coalition inherited the plans from brown et al

 

[jall55]

If you have a watch of this little series you will quickly realise that those in power had not a clue what they were doing. There was no plan. Huge amounts of bickering, infighting and backstabbing. Government is and has been in a complete and utter state of chaos.

Any thing that has been put in place is in a knee jerk reaction just to get sound bites in the press.

I was at university with a number of individuals that are within the system at a very high level. Their view is that it was far far worse than anything that has been reported. But when they were in the bubble they thought it was normal.

Only way to break the cycle is a complete change of government to one that has a much more centrist approach.

The UK has to get back to working closely with the rest of the world and stop it’s nationalistic and insular view of things. Otherwise we will end up as a very poor relation. Money, capital, brains and talent will just leave.

BBC Two - Laura Kuenssberg: State of Chaos, Series 1, May/Johnson

Laura Kuenssberg asks if our politics have been stretched to breaking point.

www.bbc.co.uk

I wonder if we have tried to work with the rest of the world too much really

We have lost so many of our skills - we make so little - even our phone lines are now mostly abroad

Is it not time we got people making stuff here ? - Start growing things again here ?

The way we are now simply in the mid to long term cannot be sustainable

 

[zambezi]

Commyservatives

Nothing separates them from labour who are at least up front about their intended assault on issues such as online privacy ["ban VPNs"], spending, shooting pursuits, etc.

There seems to be only one party prepared to make a stand for self-evident truths that all W.E.F. subsumed parties actively obfuscate:

 

[Heym SR20]

I wonder if we have tried to work with the rest of the world too much really

We have lost so many of our skills - we make so little - even our phone lines are now mostly abroad

Is it not time we got people making stuff here ? - Start growing things again here ?

The way we are now simply in the mid to long term cannot be sustainable

By working with rest of the world, I don’t export all our production to the cheapest place possible.

Instead I mean build our skills, technologies and manufacturing base so that we are the envy of the world and they come to us for our expertise and products. Formula 1 is a good example with most of the engineering done in the UK.

However, I have been involved in many new technologies and what I am seeing is that the science might emanate in the UK the technology is quickly being taken overseas and elsewhere is getting all the benefit.

Reason - simple - exporting from the UK is now a real irritation unless you are a large corporate. And getting your staff to go overseas to be with your clients and customers is again hugely difficult in terms of visas etc.

UK businesses are being compelled to set up businesses in Europe, US and Australia, staffed by locals with all products made locally. And the vast majority of the wealth created this remains over there.

Whereas in the past we would make the stuff here, send it over with UK staff to do the final integrationand fitting. Payments would come to the UK and staff employed in the UK paying taxes in the UK.

In the last four years amongst my own clients I have seen at least 500 high quality manufacturing jobs (degree, high trained technician) level jobs that should have been in the UK going to Europe because of difficulties in trading from the UK. I am now seeing other jobs and funding to Australia and South Africa - for the same reasons.

Businesses cannot afford all the blue tape that British government has dumped on the lot of us. There is no joined up thinking - its just madness. And its about to get a whole lot worse.

For the vast majority of businesses the UK market is too small to be sustainable. Especially when you are looking at modern manufacturing. You have to have easy access to much wider markets.

Many other parts of the world has this. Our government promised us frictionless free trade. I am not sure grinding paste provides friction free movement.

 

[timbrayford]

Difference between the Tories and Labour these days? Colour of the rosette!

 

[TringSaint]

Labour under gordon brown announced creation of HS2 Ltd and plans in January 2009

The cameron coalition inherited the plans from brown et al

They may have been an idea when Hs1 was built but had not been put into motion. All of the parliamentary bills were under Cameron.