Bavarianbrit
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My great grand dad was a commercial traveller on the UK mainland for Donegal Tweed, my gran said he always had a revolver on his person this would be 1895ish.
Derbyshire farmer shoots burglars
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maxtheflyinghorse
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I moved in with greencard as my wife is a US citizen. I had to have a form or state ID to apply I got that two months after I came in so I applied in the third month.
shakey jake
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Right outcome by why did it take police and cps over 2 years? That poor bloke must of been to hell and back
You could just walk into an ironmongers and buy a revolver back then,my great aunt was murdered by someone who had done that.I think she was 16.
Cootmeurer
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Several of you have referenced US laws. To clarify, it’s is more correctly the law of each state. In some states I must retreat within my house and be left with no further options, and fear for my life, before I can defend myself, and only then with a “legal” firearm. At the other extreme even my vehicle is considered part of “my castle” and I can defend myself if in fear of death or grave bodily harm to myself or another…
But in nearly all cases, once the criminal is departing you cannot keep shooting, and you cannot re-engage unless the criminal has re-engaged first.
And with all of that, there will still be lawyers that will be willing to sue the victims. We just had a case where two armed criminals kicked an 81 year old woman’s door, and were shot in the process. One dropped dead on the spot, the other made it to hospital before dying. Their families then announced intentions to sue on behalf of their dead children. There is another older case that has popped up as well from Georgia, where 3 teens attempted to rob a group of people at 4 AM. When they were rebuffed, one of the teens shot first. The homeowner then dropped all 3 with his responding shots.now, the families have found a lawyer and are suing…..
I sometimes wonder who is the bigger criminal, the ones committing the crime or the class of lawyer that would take a pursue a case like this.
But in nearly all cases, once the criminal is departing you cannot keep shooting, and you cannot re-engage unless the criminal has re-engaged first.
And with all of that, there will still be lawyers that will be willing to sue the victims. We just had a case where two armed criminals kicked an 81 year old woman’s door, and were shot in the process. One dropped dead on the spot, the other made it to hospital before dying. Their families then announced intentions to sue on behalf of their dead children. There is another older case that has popped up as well from Georgia, where 3 teens attempted to rob a group of people at 4 AM. When they were rebuffed, one of the teens shot first. The homeowner then dropped all 3 with his responding shots.now, the families have found a lawyer and are suing…..
I sometimes wonder who is the bigger criminal, the ones committing the crime or the class of lawyer that would take a pursue a case like this.
enfieldspares
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I have sometimes held the opinion that we should bring back the "outlaw" concept for the modern age. That is if you yourself act outside the RULE of the law (as in commit criminal acts of a certain clearly listed type and level of gravity) that you then put yourself outside the PROTECTION of the law if what would otherwise be criminal acts against you or your property are done to you. This could even extend to if you have your property unlawfully on another's land that such property can be seized or destroyed without your having recompense or remedy.
LawyerFarmer
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Does anyone know whether he is allowed his firearms back?
Highly unlikely, if he was able to get them back he would probably have to jump through endless hoops beforehand to prove he’s not a danger to anybody else and the incident hasn’t affected him mentally.
My view is that if thieving scum didnt attempt to rob people and actually worked for what they want in life these issues wouldnt happen. We had a shed broken into about 7 years ago and £1000 of kit stolen by some lazy w*****s who probably got £100 for it ... rant over 
In the UK your private vehicle is classed as “A public space” …
Ronin
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The man has done nothing wrong other than defend his property within the description of UK law
There is no reason he shouldn’t have his firearms reinstated
Digger
Said to me
Don’t be unkind to thieves and burglars
They can’t afford their own shovels
…..
Unravel that one
Said to me
Don’t be unkind to thieves and burglars
They can’t afford their own shovels
…..
Unravel that one
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Innocent or not I can garuntee you he won’t get them back
A neighbour of mine fired a number of warning shots above “gentlemen” who were in his farm yard looking around, he retained his shotgun, a bit more sense applied it seems (he was 80 at the time and it takes at least half an hour for police to get to this rural location since the local station closed).
I think there is a balance to be made on this topic, firstly don’t have a weapon ready to go. If the norm is that rural houses have guns for self defence then the thieves will also acquire guns for burglary use- not something most would like to see.
In most cases a shout will have burglars running, houses are insured and most things are replaceable. My stairs is very steep and if anyone tried to come up it they would be easily sent back down it, all you need is a piece of wood or a pole, tennis racket, Hurley/hockey stick, cricket bat.
The law this side of the Irish Sea is slightly more favourable to the homeowner in that there is no duty to retreat, but a reasonableness threshold still applies.
I think there is a balance to be made on this topic, firstly don’t have a weapon ready to go. If the norm is that rural houses have guns for self defence then the thieves will also acquire guns for burglary use- not something most would like to see.
In most cases a shout will have burglars running, houses are insured and most things are replaceable. My stairs is very steep and if anyone tried to come up it they would be easily sent back down it, all you need is a piece of wood or a pole, tennis racket, Hurley/hockey stick, cricket bat.
The law this side of the Irish Sea is slightly more favourable to the homeowner in that there is no duty to retreat, but a reasonableness threshold still applies.
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Swedish
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