Derbyshire farmer shoots burglars

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A tragic case. nobody is a winner here.
Even the victim must now live with the fact he was forced to take a life. He is blameless, but his life will never be the same again.
However, glad that the UK police/judiciary have seen/shown common sense and not victimised the victim further.
Reflecting on how we build a better society that will prevent these situations, or indeed reflecting on the conservative values we have lost in the name of secularism and diversity, I believe is just as important as being self sufficient and self aware in our own self defence. IE: Dont bang on about a right to bear arms whilst you forget to lock your own windows and doors.
 
Just to add, I think it's also brilliant that nobody seems to have named the victim. This is impressive and I'm thankful for it. It will make his life easier to lead going forward.
 
Very interesting surname the deceased had. Funny thing is I could never have time to get to my cabinet.if being burgled. I just have a short ashplant near my bed. I also have my old Colonel's kukri decorating a bedroom cabinet. I swore an oath to protect my wife to a far greater power than any made by man's laws and should she be in danger from an intruder I would not hesitate to use either to save her.
 
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Ronin said:
Really ?

AFO go back in service if they discharge their weapons

The person in this case has done nothing wrong whatsoever

Justify revocation from there ,,,,
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I completely agree with you the logical and right thing to do would be to allow this farmer to have his FAC/SGC back, i just feel with the way firearms licensing currently is in this country it just wont happen. This is just my opinion and i am by no means whatsoever an expert.
 
finnbear270 said:
I have been informed at the kerb side, that my vehicle although privately owned, is considered in law, a public place to which the public have access.
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A good example of that Steve is a gun/rifle in a vehicle should be "out of sight" of the public where the public have access.
"zip it up in the slip" when in Costa Coffee meeting the guide lol
 
finnbear270 said:
I have been informed at the kerb side, that my vehicle although privately owned, is considered in law, a public place to which the public have access.
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Yes. That has always been the law for many years. So carrying a weapon in a public place includes having it in your car. The logic is that there's no difference from you lurking next to the recycle bins in a public car park with a cosh or knife looking for someone to accost and rob to your waiting sat inside your car next to the same recycle bins in the same public car park with the same cosh or knife looking for someone to accost and rob.
 
finnbear270 said:
I have been informed at the kerb side, that my vehicle although privately owned, is considered in law, a public place to which the public have access.
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Hi FB
My wife was informed at the kerbside that her paper driving license was not valid. No idea about your case, but Police do on occasion get it wrong.
 
enfieldspares said:
Tha

Thank heaven for great uncle Major William "Billy" Prattinton are my thoughts. 1897 Pattern it fits well, vertically, between the vertical crenallations of a modern bedroom radiator. Made by Pilin for, as they say Wilkinson for parade but Pilin for use.

Life story: William James Prattinton | Lives of the First World War

livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk
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This him...
PRATTINTON William James Major - SKR/DAT/IP/77332 - Vickers MG Collection & Research Association - Archive Discovery PRATTINTON William James Major - SKR/DAT/IP/77332 - Vickers MG Collection & Research Association - Archive Discovery

PRATTINTON William James Major - SKR/DAT/IP/77332 - Vickers MG Collection & Research Association - Archive Discovery share.google
 
When Your Car is a Public Place
Publicly Accessible Land: If your vehicle is on a road, a highway, or a car park where members of the public have express or implied access, the law treats it as a public place.
 
I have a number of spots where I park the truck next to access the ground, however they are where the public can pass by be it a B road green lane bridleway. It might be only a matter of 2/3 yards but I leave the rifle in the slip take the other kit walk under the barrier/through the hedge or climb over the gate. It is no hinderance at all, I will walk a 20 yds hang the slip in the hedge and off I go, a number of times I am crossing back and people come wandering past. All they can possibly see is a slip :tiphat:
The smiling couple might be as nice as pie but you just don't know. :eek:
 
Robinson said:
In Norway, you can defend your self physically if you fear that your life, or if someone else's life is in danger. We dont have many genuine self defense cases with deadly outcome where only civilians are involved, that hits the media and the courts. There is no mentioning in our laws about what can be used to defend one self, but we have the same laws as Britain regarding how to store our firearms. They must be locked away in a gun safe.

The last 20 years I can think of three incidents were guns have been used in self defense with a deadly outcome. Two of them was in my part of the country. On was a family father who was wakened up in the early hours by a nasty banging on the outer door of his house. He peeked out of his upstairs bedroom window and saw a guy, the well known neighborhood bully and troublemaker, banging on the door demanding to be let in. He of course wouldn't. The guy by the door appeared drunk and aggressive and was known as a violent man. They argued, and after a while the guy by the door found a large stone that he trowed at the door several times to break it open. The family man upstairs was not about to let this men enter his house were his children and wife was, now terrified by the ruckus. He found his shotgun, put the barrel out of his window and ended it all. After the initial investigation by the police, no charges was raised. A clear and legal self defense.

The other case wasn't far from here either. The man who came out alive of the situation got a phone call from a man he knew, who accused him of having an affair with his wife. And he was told under no uncertain terms that he was coming for him. And that he was going to get hurt. This jealous man was well known as a man not afraid to use violence. The man who came out alive called the police and asked for help. "Lock your doors, we are on our way" , was their reply. He locked his doors, but the jealous man came before the police arrived. When he wasn't let in, he broke down the door and forced his way in. The man in the house locked him self in the bathroom, but he brought his shotgun with him. When that door was kicked in, the intruder didn't survive that. Here too, after the obligatory investigation, no charges was raised. Non of this two had any court time. In none of this cases any lethal weapon was found on the dead guys. But is was concluded that they had good reasons to fear for their health or life, and that made the use of deadly force legal here in Norway. I believe that in Britain too, this would have been the regarded as legal self defense.
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I know of another incident. A man broke down a door with a garden fork over an aggrivance involving a car sale. The home owner shot the attacker in tge stomach with a Pistol, the state claimed that since the home owner was an accomplished shot then he could have shot the attacker in the leg.

Incident occured in Espeland if you want to look it up.
 
Smellydog said:
This him...
PRATTINTON William James Major - SKR/DAT/IP/77332 - Vickers MG Collection & Research Association - Archive Discovery PRATTINTON William James Major - SKR/DAT/IP/77332 - Vickers MG Collection & Research Association - Archive Discovery

PRATTINTON William James Major - SKR/DAT/IP/77332 - Vickers MG Collection & Research Association - Archive Discovery share.google
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Yes. There is more. He was cashiered from the army after the bigamous marriage (which lasted until his death...Winifred Richardson was my Aunt Winnie who gave me his sword).

After being cashiered he became and ADRIC with the RIC. ADRIC is Auxiliary Detachment RIC sometimes confused as being "Black and Tans". Aunt Winnie was with him in Dublin and does tell of them sleeping with his loaded Revolver under the pillow.

After Ireland he was appointed, as a civilian by then, as Officers' Mess manager at I think RAF Coningsby? Aunt Winnie owned by then the Prattinton Arms at Tatershall.

I also have his compass and it case somewhere.
 
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