That’s a really interesting thread, be great to see more real world data like that with pictures.@Tris88
There’s a post with the Barnes in the .300 showing the effect just posted on that thread.
Comparing Terminal Performance of Non-lead/Copper Bullets on UK Deer
I have been very pleased with the performance of the Fox 130gn .308 ammunition that I have bought from Ed at Edinburgh Rifles. Fair to say that I have noticed that the reaction to the shot with Red Hinds on the hill is different and all the roe that I have shot have dropped as if hit by...www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk
Best Calibre for Deer with Copper Bullets
I suppose it comes to dealing with being close to the limit though. For most people that might be fine, for me it isn’t.
Also let’s be clear, most people aren’t shooting out to 300, I would say for those people the fox bullets are perfect. Out to 200y or if I’d been able to make the 100gr shoot I’d be happy to be using them and hopefully advocating their use. I’ve shot three deer with them. A muntjac at 140, no problem, it ran about 30y. A roe buck at, 180, again a short run but no problem. Another roe, 260y, ran on around 60y into cover, I though he stumbled, so I went straight over, he got up and buggered off. I came back in the morning with the dog and found him about 300y away, shot placement was good.
For most people I think they will be great, for me, they don’t work as well as the lead alternatives.
Interesting about the Nielson.... i didnt like the pettling in the carcase and noticed the heads were tricky to get a consistent CBTO measurement due to the slots cut in them.... still, effective bullets i just wasnt keen for those reasons
kenbro
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I've never used them but am the same as you, I know people who have and they seem pleased with them. I tend to stick with Barnes most of the time. They've never let me down although pretty much all my shooting is within 200m.
Will you be keeping the Creedmoor and adding a gun, or chopping it in and sticking with one? It seems daft to get something that is only a little bit quicker than what you have if you're keeping the 6.5?
I’m likely keeping the Creedmoor and adding a gun. I’m going to sell my .303 (probably), it seems silly to get rid of the Creedmoor, it works well with lead.
I had a good chat with the BASC deer officer today, he was a big advocate of the 30-06.
Certainly worth a look. It makes little sense to go with something of a similar size. The .30-06 will drive a light bullet pretty quickly. I know a few people who use it and really rate it. I've recently got myself a .300WSM, which probably shoots about the same or a little faster. I'll be shooting red hinds with it at the end of the month with 175gr LRX, I'll post back on how it performs.
I looked at them, but when I spoke to my FAO there was a sharp intake of breath. I sort of understand, it is a quick heavy bullet at 150gr.
Be great to see some pictures of the carcasses and gralloch, there is another thread on here to post them on.
I suppose I just like to be ahead of the game.
I’d prefer if there wasn’t one, but I’d rather have a load that worked well and not playing catch up.
Can't help with terminal performance but I have started to load a 150gr TTSX load for my .30-06. Sub-moa and 3,000fps out of a 22" barrel.
I considered the 130gr as an alternative, with the aim of getting it to do 3,200fps. I ended up going with the 150gr as the better BC* suggested that it would only be going 50fps slower than the 130gr at 300yds, with less wind drift and more energy. The 130gr had a calculated speed of 2,406fps and the 150gr 2,356fps.
Plenty of people say the 130gr TTSX at 3,000fps from a .308 is mustard, so I can't see a 150gr with a better BC is going to be a bad thing.
Just my pennies worth and I would suggest you sooner listen to someone who has tried both but its something to consider.
*yes, that is the published BC so it may be wrong but I don't have any way to properly ascertain it otherwise.
I considered the 130gr as an alternative, with the aim of getting it to do 3,200fps. I ended up going with the 150gr as the better BC* suggested that it would only be going 50fps slower than the 130gr at 300yds, with less wind drift and more energy. The 130gr had a calculated speed of 2,406fps and the 150gr 2,356fps.
Plenty of people say the 130gr TTSX at 3,000fps from a .308 is mustard, so I can't see a 150gr with a better BC is going to be a bad thing.
Just my pennies worth and I would suggest you sooner listen to someone who has tried both but its something to consider.
*yes, that is the published BC so it may be wrong but I don't have any way to properly ascertain it otherwise.
It might be a bit premature to make decisions based on one roe that's run a bit far. I think you need to get a bit more experience before changing cartridges. The 6.5 will do all you require.
Heym SR20
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I am using the RWS HIT Bullet in my 7x65r, mainly because I got a job lot when RUAG where having a clearout a few years ago. I bought them for their cases rather the bullet. But I have shot several deer from Roe, Red and one Sika and none have seemed to like them and all have either dropped at the spot or died very close by. Most have been well within range, one - a red stag was a bit further than I would have liked - afterwards measured at 250m Shot angle was n't as good as I would have liked - he was quartering towards me, nor was the execution - It was windier than I judged and rather than the shot hitting just in front of the nearside shoulder so would have quartered through all the Hilar nerves, heart and lungs, the wind moved the bullet probably 4" back so the bullet went in behind the nearside shoulder, through the lungs and the liver and came out just behind the diaphragm. It just stood there stiff legged with blood pouring out of its nose swaying back and fore. I reloaded, waited till it went broadside and put another bullet into it at which point it dropped. Total elapsed time from first shot, till second was less than a minute. Fault of the bullet - no, operator error.
I have also used the Fox bullet in my 7x57. I think I prefer it - more readily available, and available in the UK as bullets rather than as loaded ammo. Shoots accuratetly, and has a larger hole so you get more expansion and quite a bit bigger wound channel, although I haven't really noticed any difference in the field. And compared to lead bullets, no difference in killing power, big difference though in quality of carcass. I shot a sika stag last week. Bullet went through both shoulders. I recovered 90% of the meat from those shoulders. Same shot placement with a Hornady Softpoint or RWS H-Mantle - I would probably have put one if not both shoulders in the bin - and certainly the case on smaller Roe etc.
I wouldn't want to catch a Creedmoor bullet in my teeth - I don't suppose a .30-06 or a .300WSM would be any worse?! You may even find that over really extended range, the 6.5 overtakes the two magnums in the energy stakes.
If it upsets the FEO then it may not be worth the fuss unless you enjoy rocking the boat (I do). The .30-06 is a great round.
If an applicant's choice of calibre/chambering upsets the FEO, they should do everyone a favour and resign.
ColinBr
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Speeds are quite slow there. Pretty sure the 6.5mm creedmoor using 100gn TTSX were calculated to be doing around 3300 when I put it through the GRT program.
Only reason I know is that I will be changing from the 120gn TTSX which is doing around 2900 to the 100gn TTSX to get it shooting flatter.
Only reason I know is that I will be changing from the 120gn TTSX which is doing around 2900 to the 100gn TTSX to get it shooting flatter.
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