Deermanagement
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I think I’ll load lead shot 5’s, 6’s & 7’s and sell them on as “for display only”
Steel shot??
- Thread starter Smellydog
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A lot of what is said will be to cover the manufactures and proof house backside in the event of damage to a gun so the user cannot then claim from either. It is up to the user what they use and what risk however small or large they want to accept.
Virtually most of the past years of experience with steel shot has been with very tough single use plastic wads, relatively little experience of the new generation of biodegradable wads, time will tell how well they stand up to steel shot especially HP cartridges.
Smellydog
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Well guys I'm sorry but it's a big fat no from me.
First off, I've shot over 12 count steel cartridges at pheasants today for one bird and two lost birds!
That is unacceptable!
Below is a photo of three birds.
The one on the right took two steel cartridges at close range!
The birds on the left were lead shot at good ranges, similar birds to the two lost to steel but I've only fired four count cartridges for them two. Normal!
I also don't like this left lying around and some pellets stuck in the wad.
Re pressure, I've shot nothing today I would of put through my 3" AYA! Non of them felt aggressive and the grey things felt like a 410!
I'm sorry chaps but either you are shooting god's or just plain lucky or not telling the truth but they are absolutely shite as far as I'm concerned. If that's the future forget it!!
First off, I've shot over 12 count steel cartridges at pheasants today for one bird and two lost birds!
That is unacceptable!
Below is a photo of three birds.
The one on the right took two steel cartridges at close range!
The birds on the left were lead shot at good ranges, similar birds to the two lost to steel but I've only fired four count cartridges for them two. Normal!
I also don't like this left lying around and some pellets stuck in the wad.
Re pressure, I've shot nothing today I would of put through my 3" AYA! Non of them felt aggressive and the grey things felt like a 410!
I'm sorry chaps but either you are shooting god's or just plain lucky or not telling the truth but they are absolutely shite as far as I'm concerned. If that's the future forget it!!
Ratcatcher
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Cyl/imp
Ratcatcher
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I've never seen that before?
Nickb
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Feck me ...it's John Wayne
Smellydog
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Someone said use a stamped up barrel otherwise....A semi auto……. How crass
Would of thought you would be a SS man.
Nickb
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Don't worry about steel just yet SD , it's many many years away yet. Worry about it then
Smellydog
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When you can do it with a flintlock give us a shout...
Not many did you run out of flint or pigeons, besides I remember your video of you missing geese (twice) as they were traveling far faster than the delay in your swing and the flash pan...
Honk Poof Gone
Smellydog
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I love you attitude to everything Timmy. Tell me, do measure you private parts every day?Not many did you run out of flint or pigeons, besides I remember your video of you missing geese (twice) as they were traveling far faster than the delay in your swing and the flash pan...
A geese. Want more?
Other. Want more?
I have a fair understanding of steel shot which has taken time and practice however you dismissed it in a morning.
I am not a fan of steel but have to use it to shoot duck/geese, I have learnt to work with it over time and tested it on pigeons with good results. No good slinging personal insults just because you have dismissed the working's of some other material.
As steel take up more volume than lead you have a lighter load if you use the same shotsize. You can compensate for lower pellet weight by using a larger shot size or a higher velosity or both, paying with a higher pressure. If you use both the same load weight as lead and a bigger shotsize you cant use more powder within resonable pressure in a short cartridge.
Hull use Fe4 as a shot size (3.25mm dia), which is the CIP maximum shot size for a "standard" steel cartridge.
Number 4 shot would normally be 3.1mm diameter, and as such make a steel cartridge with it in HP, and only suitable for guns proofed for HP steel.
Steel shot vs lead shot - the hard facts about steel shot - ShootingUK
As the steel shot vs lead shot debate continues, Richard Atkins sifts through questions raised to try to uncover the truth about steel shot
www.shootinguk.co.uk
you cannot argue with the law of physics throw a ping pong ball and a golf ball which travels further? Would anybody play golf with a ping pong ball.
Then regardless of shot type the ballistic coefficient of a round sphere is poor so initial muzzle velocity is soon reduced.
Then regardless of shot type the ballistic coefficient of a round sphere is poor so initial muzzle velocity is soon reduced.
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