Are we talking aggressive expansion at range? I know you have used copper for some time but what would you liken them to on the lead front?
THAC Copper Bullets
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The others don’t? I'm not arguing, I'm interested in what the difference is?
Ronin
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Had some unreliable issues with recent use of another brand
Phenomenal accuracy but no reaction to shot and no expansion
Happened more than once with animals requiring multiple shots
All good shot placement
So have changed
I’ve used copper for very twenty years so not first rodeo
Ronin
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Much appreciated, I can't get the yew tree to work in my PRC whatsoever and have considered these since I first saw them
Can’t get them to group or effect on quarry not to standard?
I found yew tree exceptionally accurate and so easy to load up.
I’d use them for target work when we have to use non lead for ranges.
Can't get them to group. Ive had really good success in 3 different cartridges previously but this PRC just doesn't like them. I've tried the 114g and the new Super X across a number of different velocities, right the way up. Same goes for my 243, just can't get it to shoot with them!
They work well out to 400+ which is why I wanted to use them because they are one of the few that do actually expand properly
farrieral
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Same story with my PRC... burnt alot of powder as I really wanted them to work!
fingers crossed for these THAC 122s.I have a fantastically accurate 130 Sierra TGK loaded and the rifle shoots 143 ELD X factory into .5" groups all day... but I am keen to get a lead free load going!
Ronin
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Ive tried quite literally everything within reason from 20 thou off all the way back, below the data from hornady equivalent.
I sat on the ground with a Lee hand press, dies and calipers shooting groups and changing seating depth. Best i got was 2 touching then 2 about inch and a half away. Retested them and about 2 inch group. This was pretty similar for the entirety of the development with some looking promising and not delivering.
The other cartridges ive used the yew tree in have been spot on, dead easy and finding something within the first 20 rounds
Ronin
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Understood
Some barrels simply are fussy others not so
The barrel on my 6.5/284 was # 4 of the same chambering on a Rem 700 action that the Sako extractor pocket opened up on and wasn’t viable to repair
So the barrel went into store and has recently been re worked to fit a McMillan action
That barrel shot GS Custom HV 110 in the .3’s (no longer have any)
So I tried it wth the 95g HV I have remaining - it opened to .5 moa
With 114 g it was sub .3
With 122 it’s .3
Some tubes are more forgiving
Have you tried alternative powders - I guess your far enough down the rabbit hole to be half way through a box of 100 with no resolution so possibly giving them a miss
Some barrels simply are fussy others not so
The barrel on my 6.5/284 was # 4 of the same chambering on a Rem 700 action that the Sako extractor pocket opened up on and wasn’t viable to repair
So the barrel went into store and has recently been re worked to fit a McMillan action
That barrel shot GS Custom HV 110 in the .3’s (no longer have any)
So I tried it wth the 95g HV I have remaining - it opened to .5 moa
With 114 g it was sub .3
With 122 it’s .3
Some tubes are more forgiving
Have you tried alternative powders - I guess your far enough down the rabbit hole to be half way through a box of 100 with no resolution so possibly giving them a miss
Rutland lad
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I’m still not of a mind to go for anything to use on deer that has ‘frangible properties’
My customers and my butcher would not like to find fragments of metal (potentially poisonous or not) in their food.
Trying to get people to try venison is difficult enough, if they were to find fragments in their venison I think it’d be en even more difficult sell.
I’ll stick to Barnes/Fox which DO NOT fragment in any way.
Ronin
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You put a carcass through x ray to confirm this
Cup and core fragment and lead particles around the wound tract are evident under x ray
Same with solids - just a hell of a lot less
weigh a recovered bullet
Bet it isn’t the same as when loaded
90% weight retention is usual with solids (unless designed to fragment ) - this particles are in the carcass around the wound channel
With the PRC I've tried 165, 560 and RS60. All similar results, just differing velocity. It is a bergara though
That also goes for the Super X bullets. Shame because they were flying.
It shoots the CX bullet well enough (half to 3/4 inch or so) but im not entirely convinced by their expansion at range. They're also loaded pretty hot so give quite a substantial kick (far more than the ELD's or TGK's which is surprising).
It's the 243 thats baffled me though. What ste the odds of having two rifles that wont shoot it?
I found even my “bad” loads were acceptable accuracy wiseWith the PRC I've tried 165, 560 and RS60. All similar results, just differing velocity. It is a bergara though
That also goes for the Super X bullets. Shame because they were flying.
It shoots the CX bullet well enough (half to 3/4 inch or so) but im not entirely convinced by their expansion at range. They're also loaded pretty hot so give quite a substantial kick (far more than the ELD's or TGK's which is surprising).
It's the 243 thats baffled me though. What ste the odds of having two rifles that wont shoot it?
Heym SR20
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Re comment on small deer bullet in copper, I have been getting excellent results with the 51gn Peregrine in my 1 in 12” twist 223. I have shot several Roe, both bucks and does and they have all fallen oven on the spot or collapsed after a few yards.
In my 22 Hornet rook rifle I am working up a load with a 40gn Fox bullet. My limiting factor at the moment is open sights and eyes that have seen better days. It is shooting well enough that will give it a try on hares and rabbits when weather improves.
Ronin
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With the PRC I've tried 165, 560 and RS60. All similar results, just differing velocity. It is a bergara though
That also goes for the Super X bullets. Shame because they were flying.
It shoots the CX bullet well enough (half to 3/4 inch or so) but im not entirely convinced by their expansion at range. They're also loaded pretty hot so give quite a substantial kick (far more than the ELD's or TGK's which is surprising).
It's the 243 thats baffled me though. What ste the odds of having two rifles that wont shoot it?
Bugara ,,,,,
my 223 is 1-10 twist 50 grain ttsx and 50 grain hornady shoot ok on CWD , Muntjac and vermin . I have used quite a range of bullets through my CZ Hornet , I now only buy Hanry Kranks Privi 40 grain ' Its pehaps its my most shot CF rifle by far ? , Think I might have owned it for getting on 20 years .
Been meaning to do this for a while on one I found a while back…
Barnes 130gn TTSX in 308 recovered from a red deer and weighing 129.4gn. That’s without the blue plastic tip, which I suspect would account for the other 0.6gn
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