6.5 Swede vs Creed?
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Polar Lynx
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Could be but with boar you want them to drop on the spot and not in the woods somewhere. Dark all over and heavy animals. With moose it does not matter as shot daytime.
9,3 is a good caliber for boar at night and at feeding stations.
9,3 is a good caliber for boar at night and at feeding stations.
Please no!!
This has been done too many times, there’s nothing in it. Swede shooters will say that is better crews shooters the opposite, those who shoot both in a modern action will tell you there is literally nothing in it other than the length of the action and slight variation in the powder burned!!
Eld-m or eld-x are along the lines of the old a-max, thin jacketed and violently expanding as result!
Shoot a bonded hunting bullet With a thicker jacket If you want less damage.
wildfowler.250
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Hah I was just wanting to see what was ‘technically’ possible.
I’m running accubonds in the .270 and really like them. May switch over to them as most of the suggestions on here are non toxic.
Interesting to see the replies though. I do wonder if it’ll get harder to get reloading bits and pieces for the Swede as time goes on
The technical question has been asked and answered in many breads before!
But a swede home loaded to its full potential (I.e. higher than standard pressure but acceptable in a modern action and strong brass) does all the creed will do and vice Versa. Nothing in it.
The swede is a lovely calibre to shoot and the creed is realistically a short action version.
Accubond LR were my favoured bullet in creedmoor until I went non lead, great bullets and very accurate.
It will not get any harder getting reloading consumables (brass) for the swede due to its continued use in Scandinavia.
At some point, when the accuracy or my CZ drops off, it’s getting an 6.5x55 AI barrel in it. That will outperform the creedmoor at the expense of a little more powder.
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Foxyboy43
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Did they use their loaf answering in the many breads before?
Just curious like….
A few too many wines after being very fortunate to attend lunch today at the SF club in Knightsbridge can take the blame for that one!
Foxyboy43
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More than you think sir - “a few too many”…..
A few too many wines after being very fortunate to attend lunch today at the SF club in Knightsbridge can take the blame for that one!
Cheers!
tim@tcs
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Privi produce plenty if it’s vfm that you want or Lapua for top end specs and will never be cut from their lines! Privi doesn’t even load CM yet, there obviously isn’t much of a market otherwise they would be all over itGood for you! But in the US, where 6.5 Swede is rare and 6.5 CM is not, my point still stands. And since manufacturers tend to make what is popular, and the bulk of what the UK gets is what the US makes....
If there is indeed a shortage coming down the pipe, due to all the conflicts, I can guarantee you the 6.5 Swede will get cut from production long before the Creedmoor does.
tim@tcs
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I have a 700 which I rebarrelled but I have kept the original 6.5 Swede barrel as there was plenty left in it!
When I get bored of the custom job I’ll swap them back and add it to the other swedes I have!
I have a lovely CG63 that I used to start beginners with and I’ve sold it twice and bought it back both times as it’s a cracker
When I get bored of the custom job I’ll swap them back and add it to the other swedes I have!
I have a lovely CG63 that I used to start beginners with and I’ve sold it twice and bought it back both times as it’s a cracker
nun_hunter
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The other view is that PPU know they've got a lot of competition for loaded ammo already, especially the type of ammo they produce. PPU is the no frills cheap and cheerful ammo producer, perfect for bulk practicing and shooting deer at the shorter ranges. The Creedmoor isn't bought by people to shoot cheaper plinking ammo, that's what a 308 is for
Seriously though PPU can see that their ammo wouldn't be that useful sales wise for a cartridge designed for ultimate accuracy and long range. How many people turn up to a PRS match (or other long range shooting days, both competition and informal) using factory PPU ammo? Federal already produce their Eagle range of cheaper ammo for the Creedmoor and so do a few others so PPU have to compete with these. Maybe if supply from America really dries up then they'll see a gap in Europe to fill but at the moment I don't see it for them.
When viewed from outside of the US the situation regarding the 6.5x55 is rather different than you seem to think.Good for you! But in the US, where 6.5 Swede is rare and 6.5 CM is not, my point still stands. And since manufacturers tend to make what is popular, and the bulk of what the UK gets is what the US makes....
If there is indeed a shortage coming down the pipe, due to all the conflicts, I can guarantee you the 6.5 Swede will get cut from production long before the Creedmoor does.
More generally, in (say) the 1980’s US made or at least branded reloading components did form by far the overwhelming bulk of what was sold (even though some European alternatives were available). Since then, even before supply issues arose there’s been a gradual shift away from US made / branded components - for many reasons ranging from quality (especially where brass cases are concerned), legislation (i.e., the ‘REACH‘ regulations), through to better marketing & availability of OEM powders etc. The more recent supply situation due to local US & global issues has further reduced US product market share as people move to alternatives. The US is still a major source of components but less than you may imagine. This applies even more when considering the supply 6.5x55 brass in particular.
As regards supply of European made 6.5x55 brass, the chances of Lapua, Norma etc stopping production of 6.5x55 cases but still producing the 6.5 Creedmoor are just about nil. They may stop both in an emergency but in such a situation I think we’ll have other things on our minds.
Back to the OP’s question, I’ve had both the 6.5 Creedmoor & 6.5x55 SE (I still use one of them). If I was choosing between them I‘d pick whichever was chambered in the rifle I liked best.
S&B have cornered the market for low cost creedmoor ammunition
it was only answered by the old crusty typesDid they use their loaf answering in the many breads before?
Just curious like….
tackb
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once upon a time there was a rifle calibre , a grand old calibre known as the 30/06 but one day someone made a new calibre a bit shorter that would do the same basically and called it the 308 , people loved the new calibre because people are inqusitive and keen to try new stuff by nature generally because thats how we advance and discover new stuff (america wasn't discovered because we didn't develop new ships) even though the old boys scoffed and said the newcomer was a waste of time and would never take off.
anyway fast forward to today and the old boys club still claim some superiority of the 30/06 30fps here 25fps there (frankly insignificant differences) but a basic understanding of ballistics and you'll see why the most popular calibre now is 308 since it offers the same performance but in a smaller package with more factory options.
and still , you would be well served by either and any target from a deer to a steel plate at 1000m would not be able to tell which calibre it had been shot by......
anyway fast forward to today and the old boys club still claim some superiority of the 30/06 30fps here 25fps there (frankly insignificant differences) but a basic understanding of ballistics and you'll see why the most popular calibre now is 308 since it offers the same performance but in a smaller package with more factory options.
and still , you would be well served by either and any target from a deer to a steel plate at 1000m would not be able to tell which calibre it had been shot by......
Foxyboy43
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Indeed so and yea verily on the seventh day the Lord made the triple deuce, smiled at what he had done for it was indeed mighty and raising his face to the heavens, he cried “Behold the work of the Lord!”.
Then He went shooting - hasn’t been seen much since….
tackb
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Then along came the PPC and urinated all over the triple twos bonfireIndeed so and yea verily on the seventh day the Lord made the triple deuce, smiled at what he had done for it was indeed mighty and raising his face to the heavens, he cried “Behold the work of the Lord!”.
Then He went shooting - hasn’t been seen much since….
nothing stays the same for ever……….
All I can say is that I have Swede.
I home load, I pull the trigger, the rifle goes bang, the deer drops dead.
Anywhere between 40yds to 250yds with no adjustment to the sights.
Unless I mess up!
Thats all I know and really all I need to know for my stalking.
If you can’t get into a deer between those ranges I’d say you aren’t stalking but target shooting.
I‘ll get my tin hat now.
I home load, I pull the trigger, the rifle goes bang, the deer drops dead.
Anywhere between 40yds to 250yds with no adjustment to the sights.
Unless I mess up!
Thats all I know and really all I need to know for my stalking.
If you can’t get into a deer between those ranges I’d say you aren’t stalking but target shooting.
I‘ll get my tin hat now.
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